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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/05/housing-benefit-cut-young-people

In a speech on Thursday night to launch the Conservatives' local election campaign in Wales, Cameron said, "For years people said, 'You can't reform and cut welfare – the bills are bound to get higher, this is a fact of British life and there's nothing you can do about it.'"

"We said – hang on – it can't be right that we pay people more to stay at home than go out to work. It can't be right to pay out £40, £50, £60,000 in housing benefit to families where no one works.

"We've been the first government to come in and properly get a grip on this. The Welfare Act is the most radical, long-term reform this country has seen for a generation. Making work pay, getting people trained up and back into work and ending the something-for-nothing culture once and for all."

Essentially to me this is what this translates to: 'if you're one of the 3 million odd people who, unlike me are unemployed - you're lazy. If you don't have a job, you shouldn't have a home. Amazing no-one has thought of this before isn't it!?'

Currently there are just over 380,000 housing benefit claimants under 25; 57% of those have children and a proportion are in limited or low-paying work. It is is still unclear if young parents would be affected by the proposal.

What's he's suggesting is that if you're under 25, you have to live with your parents. The fatal flaw in this suggestion is that not everyone actually has parents, or at least parents they can actually live with. If your parents were abusive and subjected you to domestic violence, what are you supposed to do? If your parents are dead what are you supposed to do? If your parents want nothing to do with you what are you supposed to do? There seems quite a lot of flaws to this 'bank of mum and dad' suggestion.

Kay Boycott, director of policy and campaigns at housing charityShelter, warned that not all young adults had a family to fall back on. "It's outrageous that the government is considering undermining the housing safety net yet again.

"At Shelter we know that many young people simply don't have family and friends to fall back on if they lose their job, and rely on housing support to keep a roof over their head. If true, these proposals would leave thousands of vulnerable young people, many of whom may have experienced family breakdown or abuse, with nowhere else to go."

Boycott added that recent changes to housing benefit seem to conflict with the new proposal and warned of an increase in homelessness if the policy went ahead.

"Since previous changes to housing benefit will force people with spare rooms to downsize and penalise those with adult children living at home, these policies appear completely contradictory.

"Sadly it seems inevitable that we'll see an increase in homelessness as a result."

I just cannot quite express my utter hatred for this current government any more.

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If I understand correctly, I could never claim housing benefit because I have a mortgage. This system is messed up, thankfully I'll soon be old enough to not be affected by this, but will be screwed over on another account. Basically the system is messed up for helping people who genuinely need it. I know some people just sponge of the state, but there are plenty of young people who are trying and failing to find work!!!

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Unfortunately I think this government is capitalising on the media's portrayal of 'scroungers' to create an us and them culture and thus attempt to reduce outrage about slowing eroding a support system for people who really need it. that is one of the reasons I'm proud to live in this country. 'These people we're removing benefits from? They're lazy anyway and don't deserve them, and you're paying for their laziness. Work should pay not laziness. Why should lazy people get a cushy home when there's hard working young people forced to live at home?' That's essentially all I'm hearing from Cameron's mouth and it's utterly disgraceful, he's pretending that there isn't a recession and millions unemployed for legitimate reasons i.e. there is a real shortage of jobs! He's minimising how many people are relying on this to actually have a home. There can be hundreds of applicants per job in certain areas, even if it's 'just' working in a shop etc and he wants to portray the unemployed as lazy.

As you can tell it just makes me rather angry! :lol:

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I imagine it doesn't help that the state pension age keeps climbing either. Because clearly jobs are better off going to older people who deserve a break after however many years of working rather than younger people who will have difficulty getting hold of any benefits.

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Hunter

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I think that's more of a delaying tactic for paying out, and more time to get even more tax in, than anything else.

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I'd say that was definitely the reason for doing it - but it does mean that there will be more people to fill the same number of jobs, and some of those have rather more experience.

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Experience is all well and good, but a lot of companies like taking on people to bend and shape into their own way of thinking. I think a bigger concern could be the potential influx of workers from the Euro zone, and the countries looking to join the Eurozone, such as Croatia and Hungary. I've just seen a news report on Slovenian TV, and things are very very bad there. And what they have there are young people with the same qualifications, but with knowledge of 2 - 5 languages, and a basic desire to just put food on the table. Desperation you might say. There are even children collapsing at school in Greece because they don't have enough food.

I think the key is for the Eurozone to recover, and subsequently that stability can provide a market for the UK to trade with. Once businesses start to stabilise, more people working, then we can afford to put more into the welfare state. The advantage for the UK is that we aren't tied up to the Euro, and can print our own money.

The sad thing is cuts, policies and so on, like this don't target the problem. There are those that do just live off the state, have no intention of ever working, and spend their days making money under the tax radar. And there are those who genuinely need help and support. The only people who will be affected by this will be those in the latter group, because the ones scamming the system will continue to do so.

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Another idiotic piece from himabout this issue:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163773/David-Cameron-axe-housing-benefits-feckless-25s-declares-war-welfare-culture.html

If you don't have a job and you're under 25, you're obviously 'feckless'.

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There's a con trick called a bait and switch where you sell someone a big lie by first allowing them to uncover a little one.

Out of that amount of money, how much of it goes to people who genuinely are on the make? I'll be it's a very small percentage. Now how much will it cost to set up and administer the scheme, not to mention assessing all the cases to see who's entitled to what? I'll bet that if it only dealt with those people it'd lose more than it makes. It's a way of taking money away from lots of legitimate claimants using a few as scapegoats. What if you're 24, five years into a great career where you pay lots of tax and you're made redundant? Are you a scammer?

Combine this with the other idea that people in council housing will have to pay a charge for unused bedrooms, and you can see how the whole' live with your parents' thing would be unworkable for people from low income families.

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bugrach

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Removing housing benefits, and raising the university tuition fees. What are the government playing at?

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I don't really want to take part in this discussion because I don't wholly understand it, but perhaps relevant: I missed the assembly, but Beauchamp seems to be plugging foreign universities a lot. I can't tell if they see the issue and are strategically keeping students informed because this might be better for them, or if that's a symptom of the overapplied for, expensive English universities. Humm...

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Killer Turtle

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Well, going to universities in, say, Sweden, will cost you nothing as long as you're a resident of an EU country (like this one!), unlike going to those here... And you'll probably come out with at least some basic knowledge of the local tongue too, which may be beneficial.

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Killer Turtle wrote:

Well, going to universities in, say, Sweden, will cost you nothing as long as you're a resident of an EU country (like this one!), unlike going to those here... And you'll probably come out with at least some basic knowledge of the local tongue too, which may be beneficial.

Also, an amazing eduction in Sweden!

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This is also greatly beneficial!

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Hunter

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I can't rant on enough about how awesome Scandinavia is. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland may not be perfect, but so full of win! :mrgreen: Safer environments, plus, metal bands, plus huskies on snow etc, plus good education, plus vikings RAWR haha.

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It's ridiculously cheaper to get an education in countries like Amsterdam. A friend of mine did his Masters there for around 4x less than it would have cost here (probably an under-exaggeration), and the university actually teaches in English!?

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Yes this is very true! Some of them do indeed teach in English.

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Scrunchie

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Whilst loosely on the subject of degrees and foreign countries~ A friend of mine from Poland is earning more money Waitressing in England than she would be teaching in Poland with her masters degree in Polish~ (fun fact for you there)

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and that's precisely why so many people head to the UK.

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